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Sven Stryker · 2009-01-20, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Syk

is the server up right now?

Is now. Has been since you disconnected supposedly.

Edit: Looks like You DC'd on arena_well. It stayed on Well for 5ish minutes before idling back in Dustbowl.

Syk · 2009-01-20, 7:20 PM

anyone playing tonight? No one else on the server. Let's get a game on!

Falco · 2009-01-21, 10:44 AM

Musing of a 10th class, talk about updating the spies disguise, talk about making sentries more dynamic, Scout update coming 'early this year', and other stuff:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...g-the-Fortress

**ColinZeal** · 2009-01-21, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Falco

Musing of a 10th class, talk about updating the spies disguise, talk about making sentries more dynamic, Scout update coming 'early this year', and other stuff:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...g-the-Fortress

Interesting article, but annoying that it teases you with the promise of new content, but no details of what that will be.

**ColinZeal** · 2009-01-21, 11:12 AM

Have we had a thread speculating on the content of the Scout update? (or indeed, are such details out there already?)

How about a bat that gives increased chance of crit when you're in mid-air?

Sprint · 2009-01-21, 11:12 AM

The Scout update should be replacing the pistol with a squirt gun, the scatter gun with a nerf gun, the bat with an aluminum bat, all of which do 1 dmg per hit, and all of the achievements should be "kill heavies" and "kill sentries", and you should get one of the original weapons back at 12/24/36 achievements.

Sven Stryker · 2009-01-21, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Falco

Musing of a 10th class, talk about updating the spies disguise, talk about making sentries more dynamic, Scout update coming 'early this year', and other stuff:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...g-the-Fortress

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With Left 4 Dead now launched, the team is once again turning its attention to future TF2 updates. The Scout is the next class slated for the special treatment, and Walker expects the update will be available early this year. Additionally, the team is juggling a number of side projects at the moment, including finally bringing a year's worth of the downloadable content and upgrades to the Xbox 360 version of the game. A new Payload map is in the works, more community maps are on the way and the team will soon unveil a very different new game mode.

As work continues, Valve is also slowly chipping away at a laundry list of problems that crop up over time between the character classes. Among other large-scale issues on the agenda, Walker says the Spy's disguise has nearly reached the end of its lifetime. Over time, average players have become much better at detecting and dispatching disguised Spies, making the ability pretty useless for all but the sneakiest of players. Additionally, Walker feels the Engineer's sentry guns have become "too binary." They're highly lethal to some players and wholly ineffective against others. Sentry guns are also easily dispatched by skilled players, leaving Engineers with little recourse. Keeping a delicate balance is important, as is adjusting problems that arise from the way players utilize the different abilities of each class in the game.

Bolding mine. They understand how easily some people notice spies, and know that good players can edge and pop shop sentries.

**ColinZeal** · 2009-01-21, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sven Stryker

Bolding mine.

Yes? I mean, that was kinda my point about the article, that it dangles a few things in front of you but doesn't go into any details.

Edit: and then you go and add more to your post.

Falco · 2009-01-21, 11:22 AM

The ammo pack = stealth change was a good boost for spies, but I can't think of much that'd help the disguise. Perhaps keep it for a few seconds after you stab?

Sprint · 2009-01-21, 11:24 AM

Using the disguise should make you glow brighter in your own team's color, and put a big neon sign over head pointing to you that says "SPY" on it.

Sven Stryker · 2009-01-21, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ColinZeal

Yes? I mean, that was kinda my point about the article, that it dangles a few things in front of you but doesn't go into any details.

Edit: and then you go and add more to your post.

Yeah, I have bad editing habits, I know. lolEdit: I mainly wanted to show that they knew the skill difference problems of certain game mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Falco

The ammo pack = stealth change was a good boost for spies, but I can't think of much that'd help the disguise. Perhaps keep it for a few seconds after you stab?

Nah, the main problem is that most people realize that if you don't have max health and have a primary weapon, you're a spy. Especially if you're acting at all suspicious or not firing at the enemy. The disguise itself is flawed, not how long you have it on.

D20 · 2009-01-21, 11:29 AM

You know, I actually consider spies to be a closed deal with the ammo recharges cloak update. I never go anywhere with spy when I'm not cloaked now. The disguise is best for simply preventing sentries from shooting you.

ooh! Good idea for spy update! Replace the sapper with the ability to attach explosives to a teammates back, and the enemy has to get a teammate to shoot/melee them off. That'd be fun as hell.

"Spy sappin' ...ME!"

Tortuga Mañana · 2009-01-21, 11:33 AM

the problem with the spy disguise is that it just doesn't work like people think it does. Most spies are uncovered not because their health is low or because their primary weapon is out or whatever. They're uncovered because they're acting like spies, and it's hard NOT to act like a spy and still accomplish what you want to do.

The disguise is very flawed but still accomplishes at least one important thing. Namely, it lets you approach sentries without getting destroyed.

Jack of Knaves · 2009-01-21, 12:19 PM

For most spies, you eventually discover that the disguise isn't really nessisary. I still use it just to give me an extra second to move around without being shot, but the cloak is all you really need to get behind the enemy. You know when you have a good spy when you never see them.

Tebriel · 2009-01-21, 12:25 PM

Disguise is unnecessary with the cloak recharging with ammo, now.

Sven Stryker · 2009-01-21, 12:27 PM

Disguise is for sentries. Do note that if you rely only on cloak, remember to decloak out of hearing range.

Sprint · 2009-01-21, 12:30 PM

Disguise is also for getting enemy medics to heal you.

Mark Waters · 2009-01-21, 1:48 PM

Sven don't tell them that. You're going to ruin my sniping career.

Carini · 2009-01-21, 2:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack of Knaves

I still use it just to give me an extra second to move around without being shot.

Unless you continually disguise as a pyro and there's no pyro on our team for like the whole freaking round.

Sven Stryker · 2009-01-21, 3:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Carini

Unless you continually disguise as a pyro and there's no pyro on our team for like the whole freaking round.

That was hilarious. Someone said "we need a pyro for this spy." We all said, "NO DON'T." Because Jack kept disguising as a class we didn't have so we always saw him coming. It was great.

choombatta · 2009-01-21, 3:54 PM

we play now

Jack of Knaves · 2009-01-21, 5:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven Stryker

That was hilarious. Someone said "we need a pyro for this spy." We all said, "NO DON'T." Because Jack kept disguising as a class we didn't have so we always saw him coming. It was great.

I am conditioned to do that now. Whenever I hit cloak I automatically hit "4, mouse 1, 3." It takes me not but a second to do this, which allows me to keep an eye on where I am going. I don't like disguising as demo and everything else is out of my finger range. I need to work on disguising as other classes.

Pepe Silvia · 2009-01-21, 5:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack of Knaves

I am conditioned to do that now. Whenever I hit cloak I automatically hit "4, mouse 1, 3." It takes me not but a second to do this, which allows me to keep an eye on where I am going. I don't like disguising as demo and everything else is out of my finger range. I need to work on disguising as other classes.

You don't have fast weapon switch on, sca-rub

Tortuga Mañana · 2009-01-21, 5:59 PM

fast weapon switch is for scrubs, sorry.

I bet you use the last disguise bind with spies too.

Pepe Silvia · 2009-01-21, 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Turtle Tomorrow

fast weapon switch is for scrubs, sorry.

I bet you use the last disguise bind with spies too.

Let me just roll my wheel a bunch and scroll up and down and then click

i like to look at the pretty pictures of the guns

2009-01-20, 7:20 PM	#127
Syk Season's Greetings Spy Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio	anyone playing tonight? No one else on the server. Let's get a game on! __________________

2009-01-21, 11:12 AM	#130
ColinZeal Good to the last drop Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: High Wycombe, UK	Have we had a thread speculating on the content of the Scout update? (or indeed, are such details out there already?) How about a bat that gives increased chance of crit when you're in mid-air? __________________

2009-01-21, 11:29 AM	#137
D20 KILL YOUR CHILDREN Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Detroit, MI	You know, I actually consider spies to be a closed deal with the ammo recharges cloak update. I never go anywhere with spy when I'm not cloaked now. The disguise is best for simply preventing sentries from shooting you. ooh! Good idea for spy update! Replace the sapper with the ability to attach explosives to a teammates back, and the enemy has to get a teammate to shoot/melee them off. That'd be fun as hell. "Spy sappin' ...ME!" Last edited by D20; 2009-01-21 at 11:30 AM.

2009-01-21, 12:19 PM	#139
Jack of Knaves No More Highlights Join Date: Nov 2008	For most spies, you eventually discover that the disguise isn't really nessisary. I still use it just to give me an extra second to move around without being shot, but the cloak is all you really need to get behind the enemy. You know when you have a good spy when you never see them. __________________ Art! Art! Art!

2009-01-21, 12:25 PM	#140
Tebriel Here's my answer! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Woodstock, GA	Disguise is unnecessary with the cloak recharging with ammo, now. __________________ "And lo, the day is coming and is now here when true worshippers will worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth. And without pants" -Book of No Pants, 4:23 #5 of 12 Steam ID: tebriel Gamespy ID: [FO]Tebriel Layton Avatar made by TheRyuuijnMike from gamefaqs.com

2009-01-21, 10:44 AM	#128
Falco The Chief Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Texas	Musing of a 10th class, talk about updating the spies disguise, talk about making sentries more dynamic, Scout update coming 'early this year', and other stuff: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...g-the-Fortress

2009-01-21, 11:12 AM	#131
Sprint Slartabartfast Join Date: Aug 2005	The Scout update should be replacing the pistol with a squirt gun, the scatter gun with a nerf gun, the bat with an aluminum bat, all of which do 1 dmg per hit, and all of the achievements should be "kill heavies" and "kill sentries", and you should get one of the original weapons back at 12/24/36 achievements.

2009-01-21, 11:22 AM	#134
Falco The Chief Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Texas	The ammo pack = stealth change was a good boost for spies, but I can't think of much that'd help the disguise. Perhaps keep it for a few seconds after you stab?

2009-01-21, 11:24 AM	#135
Sprint Slartabartfast Join Date: Aug 2005	Using the disguise should make you glow brighter in your own team's color, and put a big neon sign over head pointing to you that says "SPY" on it.

2009-01-21, 11:33 AM	#138
Tortuga Mañana the finest weed in the sou Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chicago AKA: Grayson, Geethree, Turtle Tomorrow	the problem with the spy disguise is that it just doesn't work like people think it does. Most spies are uncovered not because their health is low or because their primary weapon is out or whatever. They're uncovered because they're acting like spies, and it's hard NOT to act like a spy and still accomplish what you want to do. The disguise is very flawed but still accomplishes at least one important thing. Namely, it lets you approach sentries without getting destroyed.

2009-01-21, 12:27 PM	#141
Sven Stryker Hi little guy! Join Date: Aug 2005	Disguise is for sentries. Do note that if you rely only on cloak, remember to decloak out of hearing range. __________________

2009-01-21, 12:30 PM	#142
Sprint Slartabartfast Join Date: Aug 2005	Disguise is also for getting enemy medics to heal you.

2009-01-21, 1:48 PM	#143
Mark Waters Shark ethics Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Michigan	Sven don't tell them that. You're going to ruin my sniping career.

2009-01-21, 3:54 PM	#146
choombatta teton sioux Join Date: Aug 2005	we play now

2009-01-21, 5:59 PM	#149
Tortuga Mañana the finest weed in the sou Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chicago AKA: Grayson, Geethree, Turtle Tomorrow	fast weapon switch is for scrubs, sorry. I bet you use the last disguise bind with spies too.