Mass Effect 3 Ending Discussion (Massive UNMARKED Spoilers) - Page 19

Jaxom · 2012-03-15, 2:53 PM

Bioware's forums are heating up again, oh god the gnashing of teeth due to that app. Bioware better make a public statement sooner than later.

Default_Messiah · 2012-03-15, 2:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaxom

Bioware's forums are heating up again, oh god the gnashing of teeth due to that app. Bioware better make a public statement sooner than later.

Does it matter? I mean, the people doing most of the harping aren't going to be satisfied, however they try to placate them.

Hell, if I just enter my Condescentiontron-a-matrix, I don't think most of them can even really articulate why they didn't like the endings beyond more superficial surface details.

Bylak · 2012-03-15, 3:31 PM

Chris Priestly (Bioware Community Coordinator) on the Bioware forums:

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We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.

We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

Nim · 2012-03-15, 3:35 PM

That last paragraph is a pretty lazy attemp at a dodge. Rest makes sense though, right now every forum is flooded with ending spoilers, even tech support.

Bylak · 2012-03-15, 3:41 PM

That's been par for the course for pretty much any response from Bioware in regards to the ME3 ending. Most of their twitter replies about the subject consist of "We're sorry you feel that way. Thank you for the feedback, and let us know what you liked about the game!"

Xyzandra · 2012-03-15, 3:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Common Sensei

If the ending made you very angry, you probably don't want to read this unless you want to really, really rage:

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/to.../index/9999272

djgdiuogt mbmigmgsjgkles uro4;al#22#2#1#1#'!!!

UngorEatStefan · 2012-03-15, 3:46 PM

That plea was basically a - "Hey, give us a week or two to come up with an official response."

Oversized Twit · 2012-03-15, 4:11 PM

The more I read the more I am convinced Casey Hudson is a pretentious idiot.

Decius · 2012-03-15, 4:27 PM

Oh, come on, he was the lead for three excellent games, they just fucked up the last 5 minutes on purpose thinking they make some deep shit (the App stuff is really good by the way).

Oversized Twit · 2012-03-15, 4:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Decius

Oh, come on, he was the lead for three excellent games, they just fucked up the last 5 minutes on purpose thinking they make some deep shit (the App stuff is really good by the way).

I'm not saying he always WAS, I'm just saying that's what he seems to be NOW, based on everything I'm reading about him.

UngorEatStefan · 2012-03-15, 4:35 PM

I mean regardless of how bad the ending was (it was pretty bad once you got on top of the citadel) the entire series was amazing, and mass effect 3 up until the last ten minutes was fucking phenomenal.

frogurt · 2012-03-15, 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by UngorEatStefan

I mean regardless of how bad the ending was (it was pretty bad once you got on top of the citadel) the entire series was amazing, and mass effect 3 up until the last ten minutes was fucking phenomenal.

I've been trying to focus on this. The shooting mechanics, the callbacks to the last two games, the tone and the scope of the game were perfect. It's easy to get bogged down focusing on the ending because it was so goddamn poorly done, but the 30-40 hours I put into the game were amazing and should be remembered more than the last 0.1% of it.

frogurt · 2012-03-15, 4:47 PM

But seriously, did the writers just never play a Fallout game in their life? You can literally put up still frames of characters and have each voice over artist read five different paragraphs about what happens after the game ends for the character and it would be fucking beloved by the fans.

OK, I'm done now.

Benjamin Erle · 2012-03-15, 4:47 PM

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Originally Posted by UngorEatStefan

I mean regardless of how bad the ending was (it was pretty bad once you got on top of the citadel) the entire series was amazing, and mass effect 3 up until the last ten minutes was fucking phenomenal.

Including a really fun multiplayer system.

UngorEatStefan · 2012-03-15, 4:49 PM

It's funny how stupid I thought the multiplayer was going to be and it's actually amazingly fun.

Also, that would honestly be the perfect DLC. I might not be happy with the ending - I just want to know what happens to the galaxy after I've controlled/synthesized/destroyed, whatever. Just tell me what happens to Garrus D:

Common Sensei · 2012-03-15, 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by frogurt

But seriously, did the writers just never play a Fallout game in their life? You can literally put up still frames of characters and have each voice over artist read five different paragraphs about what happens after the game ends for the character and it would be fucking beloved by the fans.

When Liara comes up to your quarters and reveals her project to record everything, including stuff about you, I was positive Shepard was going to die in the ending and the ending would be Liara's project.

Jay · 2012-03-15, 5:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Common Sensei

When Liara comes up to your quarters and reveals her project to record everything, including stuff about you, I was positive Shepard was going to die in the ending and the ending would be Liara's project.

Yeah. Whatever happened to that?

I keep trying to think about all the awesome parts, but mid-thought I get interrupted by "Continue the legend with DLC!" or I'll go play multiplayer but then just get bummed in general.

Common Sensei · 2012-03-15, 5:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Justin

Yeah. Whatever happened to that?

I think that was basically dropped as "this cycle's Beacon." It was still a great scene though, especially if you pick the "I'll let you decide" option when Liara asks what it should say about you.

Jay · 2012-03-15, 5:25 PM

"Shepard was a bad dancer."

Default_Messiah · 2012-03-15, 5:31 PM

"Shepard had many favourite stores on the citadel."

Potts · 2012-03-15, 5:34 PM

I really liked the multiplayer too. Actually went back to Live Gold just to play it - haven't had a Gold account since my first year expired.

I really hope that they just put out some short DLC to show what happens after the ending. I don't mind the endings - like I said, they make sense to me - the problem I have with them is that the way I look at them, they don't actually end the story. They don't deal with the main conflict in the game. I would like an extra hour of gameplay or 5 minute cutscene to actually see Shepard deal with the reapers & the consequences/results of what happened in the current ending.

Gesser · 2012-03-15, 5:40 PM

Posted on Neogaf:
From BSN, poster makes a point: The ending is worse, the higher your EMS.

"Yes, your decisions and building your fleet do matter...they make the ending WORSE.

I was originally upset -- like so many -- about my decisions not affecting the outcome of the game. But after thinking about it, I realized that the higher your EMS score is, the worse state the the galaxy is left in.

If I hadn't gone to Dekuuna and got the Code of the Ancients, then all of the elcor would still be in their home system. If I hadn't gone to the systems surrounding Thessia and picked up those science vessels and additional medical personel, they could be back home helping their people. If I never recruited the volus or the hanar, their fleets would still be home. None of these people would be starving to death on Earth.

The best -- THE BEST POSSIBLE ENDING TO THIS GAME -- can be achieved by doing zero side missions, ensuring an absolute minimum number of resourses are available, and keeping your EMS score is low as possible. You then get your Galactic Readiness to 100% by playing multiplayer. This gives you just enough to ensure that the color of the explosion you pick does not destroy Earth. (This is assuming that blowing up a relay doesn't kill everyone in the system...although even in that case this still applies because many of the people you can recruit are from systems without mass relays.)

You've made no effort to get anybody to work together, but that's fine since they won't have access to each other anyway, and a MAXIMUM number of people survived.

So there you have it. Bioware made a game where the more work you do, the fewer people survive. That's certainly a new concept. Horrible concept, but a new one."

build me a star · 2012-03-15, 5:58 PM

It really amazes me, and speaks highly of the rest of the game/series, how much I really and truly give many fucks about this.

Like, I actually physically feel sick to my stomach when I think about the ending!

Potts · 2012-03-15, 6:04 PM

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Originally Posted by build me a star

It really amazes me, and speaks highly of the rest of the game/series, how much I really and truly give many fucks about this.

Like, I actually physically feel sick to my stomach when I think about the ending!

bmas: Accept Indoctrination! You cannot resist! (it all makes sense if you do)

Seriously though, my wife was the same way. She was getting all depressed thinking of how 3 ended, after putting so much time & energy into the rest of the series: she played through ME1 & 2 3 or 4 times each, on top of my multiple playthroughs which she watched me play. So after all that investment, it's understandable that one would be upset.

Bylak · 2012-03-15, 6:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gesser

Posted on Neogaf:
From BSN, poster makes a point: The ending is worse, the higher your EMS.

Wow. That is a startling and frustrating point.

2012-03-15, 2:53 PM	#451
Jaxom At last sweet tender youth Join Date: Feb 2010	Bioware's forums are heating up again, oh god the gnashing of teeth due to that app. Bioware better make a public statement sooner than later. __________________ Cheeto eating, Noted Forum Body Policeman

2012-03-15, 3:35 PM	#454
Nim says hello. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Four and twenty blackbirds.	That last paragraph is a pretty lazy attemp at a dodge. Rest makes sense though, right now every forum is flooded with ending spoilers, even tech support. __________________ You have 8 gold ingots. They are all the same weight, except for one that's marginally lighter. How can you find the lighter using a scale when you can only balance twice? Clue

2012-03-15, 3:41 PM	#455
Bylak GO LEAFS GO Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nepean	That's been par for the course for pretty much any response from Bioware in regards to the ME3 ending. Most of their twitter replies about the subject consist of "We're sorry you feel that way. Thank you for the feedback, and let us know what you liked about the game!" __________________

2012-03-15, 3:46 PM	#457
UngorEatStefan World's Forgotten Boy Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	That plea was basically a - "Hey, give us a week or two to come up with an official response." __________________ Founding member of The El Burro Gang

2012-03-15, 4:11 PM	#458
Oversized Twit wants a peanut. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northeast Massachusetts, USA	The more I read the more I am convinced Casey Hudson is a pretentious idiot. __________________ This sig is not yet rated. Member of the Holy Order of No Pants

2012-03-15, 4:27 PM	#459
Decius Lord of Lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: European Union	Oh, come on, he was the lead for three excellent games, they just fucked up the last 5 minutes on purpose thinking they make some deep shit (the App stuff is really good by the way).

2012-03-15, 4:35 PM	#461
UngorEatStefan World's Forgotten Boy Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I mean regardless of how bad the ending was (it was pretty bad once you got on top of the citadel) the entire series was amazing, and mass effect 3 up until the last ten minutes was fucking phenomenal. __________________ Founding member of The El Burro Gang

2012-03-15, 4:47 PM	#463
frogurt Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles	But seriously, did the writers just never play a Fallout game in their life? You can literally put up still frames of characters and have each voice over artist read five different paragraphs about what happens after the game ends for the character and it would be fucking beloved by the fans. OK, I'm done now. __________________

2012-03-15, 4:49 PM	#465
UngorEatStefan World's Forgotten Boy Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	It's funny how stupid I thought the multiplayer was going to be and it's actually amazingly fun. Also, that would honestly be the perfect DLC. I might not be happy with the ending - I just want to know what happens to the galaxy after I've controlled/synthesized/destroyed, whatever. Just tell me what happens to Garrus D: __________________ Founding member of The El Burro Gang

2012-03-15, 5:25 PM	#469
Jay My Posting Face Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Korealand AKA: Emperor Dick Butt	"Shepard was a bad dancer." __________________ I have a blog HERE I have some story things HERE I have a book HERE :I

2012-03-15, 5:31 PM	#470
Default_Messiah Hipstopher Marlowe Join Date: Jun 2006	"Shepard had many favourite stores on the citadel." __________________ "A sound magician is a mighty god." Reality Ajar ~ Society 6 Store

2012-03-15, 5:34 PM	#471
Potts The Littlest Elder God Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Lincoln, NE AKA: Aetochtlu	I really liked the multiplayer too. Actually went back to Live Gold just to play it - haven't had a Gold account since my first year expired. I really hope that they just put out some short DLC to show what happens after the ending. I don't mind the endings - like I said, they make sense to me - the problem I have with them is that the way I look at them, they don't actually end the story. They don't deal with the main conflict in the game. I would like an extra hour of gameplay or 5 minute cutscene to actually see Shepard deal with the reapers & the consequences/results of what happened in the current ending. __________________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/FO-Potts

2012-03-15, 5:40 PM	#472
Gesser In the year of the rat Join Date: Aug 2005	Posted on Neogaf: From BSN, poster makes a point: The ending is worse, the higher your EMS. "Yes, your decisions and building your fleet do matter...they make the ending WORSE. I was originally upset -- like so many -- about my decisions not affecting the outcome of the game. But after thinking about it, I realized that the higher your EMS score is, the worse state the the galaxy is left in. If I hadn't gone to Dekuuna and got the Code of the Ancients, then all of the elcor would still be in their home system. If I hadn't gone to the systems surrounding Thessia and picked up those science vessels and additional medical personel, they could be back home helping their people. If I never recruited the volus or the hanar, their fleets would still be home. None of these people would be starving to death on Earth. The best -- THE BEST POSSIBLE ENDING TO THIS GAME -- can be achieved by doing zero side missions, ensuring an absolute minimum number of resourses are available, and keeping your EMS score is low as possible. You then get your Galactic Readiness to 100% by playing multiplayer. This gives you just enough to ensure that the color of the explosion you pick does not destroy Earth. (This is assuming that blowing up a relay doesn't kill everyone in the system...although even in that case this still applies because many of the people you can recruit are from systems without mass relays.) You've made no effort to get anybody to work together, but that's fine since they won't have access to each other anyway, and a MAXIMUM number of people survived. So there you have it. Bioware made a game where the more work you do, the fewer people survive. That's certainly a new concept. Horrible concept, but a new one." __________________

2012-03-15, 5:58 PM	#473
build me a star Doesn't hate you Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA	It really amazes me, and speaks highly of the rest of the game/series, how much I really and truly give many fucks about this. Like, I actually physically feel sick to my stomach when I think about the ending! __________________ OMG TUG OMG!!!